[ a / cm / ic / sci / tg / v / vg / vip / y ] [ index / top / statistics / report bug ]

/ic/ - Artwork/Critique


View Post

File: 37KiB, 384x499, 518CAj2vL5L._SX382_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5130931 No.5130931 [Reply] [Original]

I'm not even at page 20 and I already want to kill myself. Fuck you /ic/, I'd rather draw background than these ugly ass faces. This artstyle is outdated and not fun at all.

>> No.5130945
Quoted By: >>5131031

>>5130931
Then don't use FWAP you stupid fucking gorilla. Nobody said you had to use it and there are plenty of other ways to make cartoons.

>> No.5130957

>>5130931
so take the processes it's teaching and apply it to somethng that you do find fun

>> No.5130967
File: 6KiB, 454x520, 1561210445766.png [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5130967
Quoted By: >>5132010

>NOOOOOOOO THERE S NO CUTE ANIME WAIFU TO DRAW WTF

>> No.5131031
File: 127KiB, 720x447, 4E4769AF-44F4-494A-BC14-8BC2324C57B7.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5131031

>>5130945
they’re not called cartoons mom they’re ANIME

>> No.5131040
Quoted By: >>5131094

fwap is a dumb nigger meme for dumb niggers
do one of the retard books (edwards’ or the other one) if you are a retard (protip: you are) then do figure drawing for all it’s worth

>> No.5131042
Quoted By: >>5139131

>he fell for the meme

lmao it never gets old

>> No.5131047
File: 124KiB, 570x768, rudy reyna book.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5131047

psst!

>> No.5131074
Quoted By: >>5131238 >>5139131

nobody actually goes through that shit, its a fucking joke

>> No.5131087
File: 11KiB, 250x318, 236546.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5131087

>Fresh of the boat and already missing the point.

Enjoy the time amongst the crabs, take your talent cue cards and get to making time wasting threads.

>> No.5131094
Quoted By: >>5136796

>>5131040
>figure drawing for all it’s worth
Unlike FWAP, figure drawing for all it's worth is actually good.

>> No.5131184

>>5130931
You take the construction methods in the book and apply it to what you want to actually draw. It's not a hard thing to grasp.

>> No.5131225

>>5130931
You weren't supposed to draw the faces, you're supposed to learn what Loomis teaches and apply it with designs you enjoy.

>> No.5131238
File: 2MiB, 2000x1125, sketchbook.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5131238

>>5131074
I did. Drew every single illustration in the book. Thanks to FWAP I have a much better grasp of construction.

>> No.5131290

>>5130931
try "having fun with planar people" instead

>> No.5131301
File: 143KiB, 1040x780, IMG_20210113_204722.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5131301
Quoted By: >>5135030

On later pages there are so many construction lines that my heads end looking a mess. I tried doing them with pencil and erase it but it smudges the ink (I'm a poorfag using ballpoint pen)

>> No.5131303

Seriously people need to stop recommending Fun with a pencil.Its hot trash and a blatant noob trap. FWAP and head and hands are noob traps for begs, loomis head construction method is trash and creates an enormous amount of bad habits.So Avoid like the plague, or suffer the consequences.

>> No.5131305
Quoted By: >>5131324

>>5131303
>It doesn't work for me, so it can't work for anyone.

>> No.5131324
File: 496KiB, 376x568, 2021-01-13 20_05_07-Photos.png [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5131324

>>5131303
>>5131305
i dont get it where do i start

>> No.5131325

>>5131238
based

>> No.5131327

>>5130931
buy shit in the video thread

>> No.5131333

>>5131324
The Book is fine for learning construction. If you are complete beg U can read "keys to drawing", " 30 days to learn how to draw" or drawing on the right side of the brain.

>> No.5131341

>>5131324
>to be tempered in a hundred battles
You should start by google searching what you want to draw and just drawing. Just straight up copy and get some mileage. Then maybe move onto some books and see how it goes. You'll know what to do once you get a little experienced

>> No.5131362

>>5130931
I don't know why people try to learn with books from fucking 1920 these days. There are so many better options it's not even funny.

>> No.5131414

>>5130931
lmao

>> No.5131523
File: 68KiB, 640x815, ETYqt3rWoAMWE07.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5131523

>>5130931
>NOOOO you can't just call this style ugly! Loomis isn't a meme REEEEE

>> No.5131581

Draw what you want to draw, not those fugly faces. If you're not having at least a bit of fun then you're ngmi. You could be using that will force for something more useful.

>> No.5131588
File: 5KiB, 160x154, image0.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5131588
Quoted By: >>5131738

>> No.5131701

>>5130931
filtered

>> No.5131718
File: 78KiB, 552x558, Loomis Heads.png [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5131718
Quoted By: >>5134901

I just started reading fwap and didn't think the head construction at the start wasn't that bad. As a beginner I'm wondering, should I really stop reading it? what's better for me if I want to do character creation of any style?

>> No.5131738
Quoted By: >>5132426

>>5131588
explain.

>> No.5131977
File: 67KiB, 616x856, fun_with_a_pencil.png [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5131977
Quoted By: >>5132050

>>5130931

>> No.5132010
File: 12KiB, 320x393, 1607355494562.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5132010

>>5130967
>NOOOOOOOO THERE S NO CUTE ANIME WAIFU TO DRAW WTF

>> No.5132032
File: 240KiB, 1068x1531, 1603431733118.png [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5132032

>NOOOOOOOO THERE S NO CUTE ANIME WAIFU TO DRAW WTF

>> No.5132050
File: 18KiB, 350x350, 5C97FD8D-5D07-434E-9227-6DB38E0A039D.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5132050

>>5131977
Fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap

>> No.5132060
File: 504KiB, 563x749, fuck ic.png [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5132060
Quoted By: >>5140901

>>5130931

>> No.5132080
Quoted By: >>5136819

>>5131324
Learn dynamic sketching first. Draw cylinders,boxes,elipses,circles,spheres ..etcc. Learn 1 point, 2 point and 3 point perspective. You need to be able to rotate these objects in your mind.Learn the basics of light and shadow apply it to those forms as practice. Then once you understand the fundamentals.

Learn from steve huston, Vilppu or any New masters academy teacher. Schoolism also works. There is a Mega link still up for their courses.

>> No.5132295

These books and others like them are simply a set of procedures that the author finds useful for creating human-like figures. Unlike, for example, math where you need to learn from first principles and build up, there is no such requirement for art.

Draw something, fail at it, look to see if there's a method in a book that helps you achieve the results you want, and if so, use it.

Perspective books, however, do contain some principles from math, since we're dealing with geometry. And these principles can be applied to figure drawing, which is why people say "learn the fundamentals". If you can draw a tall cube in perspective, then you can begin to replace it with a human that is in perspective.

But the whole "draw a circle and subdivide it to find the placement of the eyes" is just a trick that can be useful when sketching *a particular style* from imagination. Not all faces will adhere to the rule. Western and Eastern cartoons will have different "rules".

>> No.5132382
Quoted By: >>5132388

wait read fwap was suppose to be a meme?

>> No.5132388
File: 217KiB, 728x997, 1600356126619.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5132388

>>5132382
Getting told to read fwap is a meme, but the book itself is okay. There are far better books to learn how to draw heads or cartoons like drawing the head and hands also by loomis.

>> No.5132414
Quoted By: >>5139085

>>5130931
What stops you from drawing a catgirls over Lumis mannequins?

>> No.5132426
Quoted By: >>5132591

>>5131738
explain what

>> No.5132591

>>5132426
elaborate.

>> No.5132999

i hate it too, i don't know if it's worth it

>> No.5134680

>>5130931
>he's unable to have fun with his pencils
kys seriously

>> No.5134695
Quoted By: >>5134904 >>5135030

>fun with the pencil
>I'm using ballpoint pen
Who else is /devilish/?

>> No.5134901

>>5131718
nah bro, finish it, and move on to perspective made easy. keep grinding. don't take EVERYTHING loomis says to heart. move on to other teachers so you don't get sick of andrew because he has other good books. read the sticky

>> No.5134904
File: 20KiB, 583x616, 1465545202942.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5134904

>>5134695
>fun with the pencil
>having 0 fun
Me

>> No.5135030
File: 139KiB, 1040x780, IMG_20210115_112823.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5135030
Quoted By: >>5135039

>>5131301
>>5134695
What other characters resemble FWTP toons?

>> No.5135039
File: 128KiB, 780x1040, IMG_20210115_113529.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5135039
Quoted By: >>5135216

>>5135030
*FWAP

>> No.5135112
File: 897KiB, 4128x2322, IMG-20210107-WA0016.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5135112
Quoted By: >>5140798

>>5131238
Yeah .im trying to do the same.although is taking some time i can see progress little by little

>> No.5135174

I don't even think the blooks are that ugly. They're kinda aesthetic, ngl

>> No.5135216

>>5135039
BASED

>> No.5136038
File: 535KiB, 761x997, 1610344429591.png [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5136038
Quoted By: >>5136057

>>5130931
>HE UNIRONICALLY READ A FUCKING BOOK INSTEAD OF DRAWING.

>> No.5136057

>>5136038
black pill

>> No.5136097
File: 13KiB, 400x244, cum craving slut.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5136097

>> No.5136236
Quoted By: >>5136832

>>5136097
Andy coomis

>> No.5136249

>>5136097
did he REALLY draw that?

>> No.5136468

>>5136097
wtf loomisbros

>> No.5136481
Quoted By: >>5136788

>>5131238
What sketchbook/paper is that?

>> No.5136788

>>5136481
Piccadilly dot grid (in their larger 7.4 x 9.7 size, not sure if they still offer it)

>> No.5136796
Quoted By: >>5138075

>>5131094
This. Fuck FWAP, but FDFAIW is based.

>> No.5136819
Quoted By: >>5139643

>>5132080

where can some man to find the mega wega wahaha mega

give wega link now give me now pigggg

>> No.5136828

>>5130931
I'd rather have fun with my cock n balls

>> No.5136832

>>5136097
>>5136236
made me laugh so hard my chest hurts, fucking hell

>> No.5138075
Quoted By: >>5138092 >>5138811

>>5136796
sooooo.... I should just skip FWAP?

>> No.5138092
Quoted By: >>5139496 >>5143268

>>5138075
Download the famous artist cartoon course. Its leaps and bounds better than loomis and most modern instruction.

>> No.5138808
File: 3MiB, 1682x2972, 20210117_005732-1.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5138808
Quoted By: >>5138870 >>5138933

So ...i took one of the practice drawings and put some color on it to make it more appealing...did i made a decent job or i murdered it?

>> No.5138811
Quoted By: >>5138878

>>5138075
skipping FWAP was my biggest mistake. Stick with it, if only to learn the drawing method. FDFAIW doesn't walk you through any of the process of drawing or constructing or anything.

>> No.5138870
Quoted By: >>5138974

>>5138808
good job!

>> No.5138878
Quoted By: >>5138900

>>5138811
I’m thinking of just doing Keys to Drawing, then DrawABox, then FWAP, then FDFAIW

>> No.5138900

>>5138878
Honestly, just do FWAP then start doing studies. Studies of whatever you want, humans, animals, clothes, etc. FWAP teaches a method, and you have to take that method and run with it. Drawabox honestly won't give you anything FWAP won't. Keys might be really useful to go along with FWAP, because it teaches proper obseration and accurate drawing, which will help you construct better

>> No.5138907
Quoted By: >>5138926

FWAP is a noob trap stoooop telling people to study it its fcking retarded.

>> No.5138926

>>5138907
ngmi

>> No.5138933
Quoted By: >>5138974

>>5138808
good job anon! keep up the good work.

>> No.5138955 [DELETED]
File: 844KiB, 1890x2400, Crumb Drawing.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5138955

The traditional cartoon style is a good way to learn construction because most cartoon figures are made of simple shapes.
It's good to be open to older art styles. If you break down whatever you're into (including anime) it's often built on these older forms of drawing/cartooning (for example Anime/tradition is rooted in classic American animation and comics).
Also, a lot of fundamental texts might seem boring and pointless while in the process of learning, only later you absorb the value of them. Art is a job, it takes discipline.

>> No.5138958
File: 844KiB, 1890x2400, Crumb Drawing.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5138958

The traditional cartoon style is a good way to learn construction because most cartoon figures are made of simple shapes.
It's good to be open to older art styles. If you break down whatever you're into (including anime) it's often built on these older forms of drawing/cartooning (for example Anime/manga is rooted in classic American animation and comics).
Also, a lot of fundamental texts might seem boring and pointless while in the process of learning, only later you absorb the value of them. Art is a job, it takes discipline.

>> No.5138974
File: 3MiB, 4128x2322, 1610862597388-594841692.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5138974
Quoted By: >>5138978

>>5138870
>>5138933
Thanks to both of you!!!
Congrats from fellas is encouraging.i just bought FDFAIW and want to finish FWAP first to beging that one.im on page 89 .and to be honest i too struggle whit the dated cartoon style ..but im gonna finish thos damn exercise before jumping to the others books of loomis.i started almost a year ago practicing daily and i know im slow .so i picked FWAP to see if i coild learn faster than using videos and internet in gral..i am currently on my 3 month since inpicked this book
Sorry for the long post
Was for context

>> No.5138978
File: 2MiB, 2194x2279, IMG-20210114-WA0006-1.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5138978

>>5138974
Sorry the pic was rotated

>> No.5139085

>>5132414
nothing.

>> No.5139097
Quoted By: >>5139131

this isnt fun at all, this is the least fun thing ive done with a pencil. this style is gay as fuck and i dont want to draw crap like this, i think ill just go back to drawing stuff i like.

>> No.5139131
File: 156KiB, 828x840, loomis.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5139131

>>5131042
>>5131074
>>5131303
>>5139097

>> No.5139496
Quoted By: >>5139571 >>5139580

>>5138092
Aaaand who is this artist?

>> No.5139571
Quoted By: >>5139669

>>5139496
The avengers of the art world came together and made a guide to teach new artist.one of those artists being norman rockwell.

>> No.5139580
Quoted By: >>5143268

>>5139496
multiple artists. including norman rockwell

>> No.5139643

>>5136819
I’m gonna let you in on a little secret

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMXbAPr21di-Ox-dmDwL2riWedei1dn9S

Idk how popular the drawing database is on this board, but they have a lot of great videos that cover pretty much everything from basic shapes to anatomy

>> No.5139669

>>5139571
Thanks!

>> No.5140479
File: 3MiB, 1805x2770, 20210117_190838-1.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5140479
Quoted By: >>5140507 >>5141097

Heres another one ..btw im having fun whit a pencil

>> No.5140507
Quoted By: >>5140527

>>5140479
Keep perservering, anon. This is the quickest way to improve. You're on the right track.

Take what you learned and repeat it with other objects. Draw things you like from google images. The point is to repeat that drawing process so much that its a habit. Then whenever you pick up a pencil to draw, you are automatically drawing in that way. Repeat it ad-infinitum and train your neurons to think this way. Move onto his figure drawing manual next, using this method of drawing.

>> No.5140522

Take a hampton pill bro
Loomis is 20th century seriousfag

>> No.5140527

>>5140507
Thanks anon
I was getting the same boredom whit it like other ppl said.but im realising is not about the style that he made but the formula .and it became actually fun .so..
The title is not clickbait after all..and yes i got figure drawing as well .so im impatient to start whit that and make some "fan art" of my favourite characters form time to time whit the formula 5o add some variety .thanks again dude

>> No.5140798

>>5135112
nice

>> No.5140901

>>5132060
what is the anime equivalent of loomis?

>> No.5140918
Quoted By: >>5140936

>>5140901
roomasu

>> No.5140936
File: 560KiB, 706x1000, satania.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5140936

>>5140918
>roomasu
I see what you did there

>> No.5141097

>>5140479
needs a bigger penis

>> No.5141132
File: 658KiB, 1416x1974, 168_0_156.jpg [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5141132
Quoted By: >>5141356 >>5142814

>>5140901
it's loomis. there is no equivalent. only loomis

>> No.5141356

>>5141132
>it was yoomis, it was always yoomis

>> No.5142814

>>5141132
But there has to be some faggot out there that has made a loomis construction book but with anime characters, no?

Fun with a pencil has the most goblin looking misfits I've ever seen and the only thing I could pull from it was map the eyes, nose and mouth like this and create the head from a circle... the rest of the book is, well, useless for someone who wants to draw not western.

>> No.5143163

>>5140901
Hitokaku and he's better

>> No.5143268
File: 202KiB, 200x560, 718723786288328..png [View Same] [Google] [iqdb] [SauceNAO]
5143268

>>5139580
>>5138092
Can this be used as gesture (ch.2 p.12)? As I understood gesture is a fast sketch which shows a key features of pose and figure, so pic is a sort of gesture? I found that construct a good pose using a bare FWAP mannequin is difficult.

>> No.5143272

>>5130931
uh... why not just read the concept, apply to anime girl, on to the next topic?
I really like how its dumb down for retards like me to be honest.



Theme [ FoolFuuka - Default / FoolFuuka - Midnight / Fuuka / Yotsubatwo - Yotsuba / Yotsubatwo - Yotsuba B ]