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12615160 No.12615160 [Reply] [Original]
Quoted By: >>12615797 >>12616040

BIjection.
HOMOmorphism.

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>> No.12615797

>>12615160
ANALytical continuation

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Quoted By: >>12615850 >>12616832

>>12615238
>mfw it's a real term
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/pedomorphism

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>>12615807
Well, of course it is.
All the cool dude in my Category Theory 7 classes are notable pedomorphs.

>> No.12616040

>>12615160
TRANSversality.
NONBINARY number system.

>> No.12616832

>>12615807
>legal loli
fascinating



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12615148 No.12615148 [Reply] [Original]
Quoted By: >>12616989 >>12617357

In high school and during my attempt at attending a university, I barely even tried. I always thought of myself as “bad at math,” although I know realize it’s a matter of study and effort.

I dropped out after a year, and I’m now 25. I want to take a physics and astronomy pre-major program to transfer to a university and get my bachelor’s.

What’s the best way to study in preparation for math and physics? I really need to brush up on algebra and trig, my fundamentals are lacking.

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>> No.12616989

>>12615148
bumping

>> No.12617357
Quoted By: >>12617365 >>12618831

>>12615148
>>12615248
>Just do CS OP.
You have the spark for curiosity. CS is where curiosity goes to die. Pursue your dream. Even if you don't make it, make connections and get a job at least relevant to what you are interested in.

As an ex-softy, the pay is nice but the lack of creative freedom is exhausting.

>> No.12617365
Quoted By: >>12618831

>>12617357
My b, I forgot to actually answer your question. To start, I would recommend brushing up on your math. There are great YouTube channels, but I also recommend getting a textbook with answers and do some practice problems. You'll also need to know calculus, which you should take during your undergrad. HOWEVER, you want to do well in those classes so I recommend studying calculus after you finish with your basic math (algebra, geometry, trigonometry). If you start studying now at least an hour or two a day I believe you can burn through most of the basic maths in 2-3 months depending on how much you remember.

In terms of Physics, you'll learn everything you need in undergrad. Watch videos and do some reading on astronomy and astrophysics. It's always good to be well enough.

>> No.12618831
Quoted By: >>12620515

>>12617357
>>12617365
Thank you so much anon. I’m going to study 4 hours a day to prep.

>> No.12620515

>>12618831
You'll be there in no time. And don't set too high expectations on yourself. Four hours of studying is a lot. Remember to take 30 minute breaks in between 30-60 minute study sessions. After too much studying, the brain starts to struggle with retaining information.



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12615097 No.12615097 [Reply] [Original]

It's a process not an ideology! Heck yeah

https://youtu.be/RECuQaaGGfA

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>>12615097

>> No.12615107

>>12615097
how american. grow some class

>> No.12615143

>>12615097
>science
is a jew rat hoax, you idiot , engineering serves life



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12615060 No.12615060 [Reply] [Original]
Quoted By: >>12615408 >>12615424

>semiconductor circuits final
>5 long problems about MOSFETS
>miss a minus sign in an equation
>zero credit on problem, lose 20% of points

I wish I studied biology

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>> No.12615408

>>12615060
bump

>> No.12615424

>>12615060
>>12615069
You have to complain to the instructor about the no credit policy or else it won't change. And if you know they will be a dick about it, you still complain to make them feel like a dick for not giving any credit.

>> No.12615516

>>12615424
I just rejected the grade and got a solid one on the next exam, enough to get full credits.

>> No.12615816

>>12615424
Its standard practice in my uni to give zero credit to any error in analog electronics exams. I've asked, and professors have said "the correct values matter, if you can't achieve them, you're a threat to safety in your future job"

>> No.12616206

>>12615424
t.doesnt understand the authority faculty has



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12615052 No.12615052 [Reply] [Original]

Do you believe in laws of nature?



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12615046 No.12615046 [Reply] [Original]
Quoted By: >>12618069

Using nothing but pressure, could I compress water into ice?

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>>12617227
And why does it form snowflakes in the pattern of the star of david? Is it a coincidence that "snowflakes" (in the anti-SJW boomer sense) are on the same side as those of the star of david?

>> No.12618069

>>12615046
you could use compressed air through a vortex tube which could freeze one end and create very hot at the other end. it has no moving parts either.
the compressed air could be generated in a trompe by the falling of water.

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Quoted By: >>12618498

>>12615336
is basic chemistry a pleb filter now or am i being baited

>> No.12618498

>>12618192
Always has been

>> No.12619062

>>12617227
the soul sits there



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12615036 No.12615036 [Reply] [Original]
Quoted By: >>12615141

Why is it that when I read off a pleural pressure of -6 I see a volume change of 0.5 liters here...

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>> No.12615134
Quoted By: >>12615202

>>12615073
Do you get it now OP? Guyton is a great book but has some confusing language and errors in it.
I recommend checking with Ganong while reading it.

>> No.12615141

>>12615036

the absolute state of medfags lmao

>> No.12615202
Quoted By: >>12615205

>>12615134
Thanks

>> No.12615205
Quoted By: >>12615334

>>12615202
No problem. Keep studying and best of luck.

>> No.12615334

>>12615205
Thank you :)



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12614954 No.12614954 [Reply] [Original]
Quoted By: >>12620940 >>12621222

Explain, scientifically, with great detail, but that also a 5-year-old could understand, how this happened.

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>> No.12620940
Quoted By: >>12620957

>>12614954
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/15/understand-trumps-support-we-must-think-terms-multiracial-whiteness/

>> No.12620955

>>12615055
lil' yeezys.

>> No.12620957

>>12620940
At this point "whiteness" just means "wanting fair pay for a productive career"

>> No.12620961

>>12617747
B-b-but he started from the bottom anon

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12621222

>>12614954
recessive genes anon. Two brown-haired brown-eyed people can produce a blonde-haired blue-eyed child, so long as the gene exists in both their lineage. Both Drake and his baby-momma are Mutts of some description, so their child has a chance of showing a lighter phenotype



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12614941 No.12614941 [Reply] [Original]
Quoted By: >>12615009

starting college this year and i am gonna be majoring in computer science. You all got any tips for me?

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>>12614963

>> No.12614995

>>12614975
i am somewhat familiar with C++ and JavaScript. but I haven't done any coding since 11th grade, I will have to brush up some stuff it seems.

>> No.12615009
Quoted By: >>12616735

>>12614941
try pairing it with a math major if you do not want to end up in a pure code monkey position

>> No.12615014

>>12614967
I am curious. What type of math do is specifically have to learn for CS?

>> No.12616735

This >>12615009 and try getting meaningful internships or work experience



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12614845 No.12614845 [Reply] [Original]
Quoted By: >>12614891 >>12614911

Do humans have pheramones? If yes, do humans base their mating behavior in them?

>> No.12614891

>>12614845
Yes. Probably yes, I know how a guy smells is huge to how attractive I find them. But we don't understand it nearly well enough.

Fun fact humans have very developed noses and are able to track scents quite well.

>> No.12614911

>>12614845
I believe so, because I can smell when women are ovulating.



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12614798 No.12614798 [Reply] [Original]
Quoted By: >>12619772

If we were to take the outcome of the Libet experiments at face value, and assume that at the smallest level our brain makes the decision before were consciously aware (if we generalize this and assume that this applies to all levels of thought/deliberation not just small random wrist movements) wouldn't this imply that our entire conscious experience is an epiphenomenon. Which is not a popular position to hold, considering the evolutionary implications that consciousness holds.

I'm confused by this assessment because in this video (I apologize for the pop-sciness of it and of my question) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSYcUl2TXDc at 6:16 the neuroscientist in the panel makes claim that in the Libet experiments our brain makes the decision before our consciousness is aware, she begins to muse about why we evolved free-will. Shouldn't her question be why we evolved consciousness?

I find it kind of strange that if one were to believe the outcome of the Libet experiments, the implications would obviously point to epiphenomenalism, which seems (to me) absurd. Besides that, at the end of the talk Brian Greene begins to rapt about how determinism doesn't matter because we are the arbiter of our actions, yet 4 minutes before she contradicts him by saying that our subconscious brain is the one calling the shots. I think I'm a bit bewildered by the stranglehold that the Libet experiments hold on the talks of free will and our conscious experience. So what the fuck am I experiencing, do I have agency of my actions (I'm not implying free will BTW that's a different discussion) or is my brain calling the shots before I realize it, implying epiphenomenalism.

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>> No.12618944

>>12618922

Have another one just for fun's sake:

https://archive.is/fSBR8

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-22/amazon-requests-in-person-union-vote-in-covid-plagued-alabama

Irregular elections for thee but not against me.

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>>12618922
>Read Langan's arguments as an anon, without regard to what is said about him, only on the basis of their own merit.
That would be a waste of time you could save by looking him up and realizing why nobody takes him seriously. There are more fun schizos you could read if you're interested in consciousness, pic related. It's fundamentally wrong, but in an enlightening kind of way.

>> No.12618961

op here, im closing this shit show

>> No.12619772

>>12614798
These experiments are garbage. "Awareness of intension" is actually "report of awareness of attention" which comes after the real awareness, which could easily come before -550 ms

>> No.12620351

>>12615912
>my brain wants me to wipe my ass
>my wanting to wipe my ass
how are those different



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12614752 No.12614752 [Reply] [Original]

Is this gravity?



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12614699 No.12614699 [DELETED] [Reply] [Original]
Quoted By: >>12615923 >>12616098

>tfw no bf to solve the Navier-Stokes equation with

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>> No.12615509
Quoted By: >>12615927

>>12615479
>Liking boobs makes you a toddler
U need to be 18 to post

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>>12614716
cringe

>> No.12615923

>>12614699
I'll be your Navier-Stokes-solving fuckbuddy, okay?

>> No.12615927

>>12615509
Learn to read you retard.

>> No.12616098

>>12614699
>solving brainlet engineering liquid theorem
>not solving riemann like a messianic math chad



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12614669 No.12614669 [Reply] [Original]

Is nuclear energy a safe and sustainable source of energy for the human race?

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>> No.12615405

>>12614669
>Is nuclear energy a safe
No
>and sustainable
No

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>>12614669
>sustainable
Uranium's not exactly renewable but we have an effectively infinite supply of it.
>safe
Yeah. Even our major nuclear disasters have been harmless.
Anti nukers are scientific illiterates or literally want manufactured energy scarcity.

>>12614686
>t. stuck in 4.5x10^9 BC

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Quoted By: >>12615606

>>12614669
Yeah, just explode H-bombs in a large underground vat of molten salt, and use the heat to spin a turbine. Perfectly safe, super sustainable, works better than any fusion power we're on right now, and we worked out the technology for it in the 1970s. It's called PACER.

>> No.12615601

Look at data - nuclear kills the least per KWh. Using breeders, we also already mined enough material to power humanity for centuries. Nuclear is safe. Nuclear is not really renewable (unless uranium seawater extraction), but we have a shitton of uranium and if we wanted to go full nuclear, we would push out breeders fast - Chinks are already building them. Can you scale up nuclear to power 100% of our needs? Yes. Is it practical? Fuck no. Oh and btw, nuclear is way younger than wind or solar

>> No.12615606

>>12615594
>Based daily earthquake enjoyer



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12614666 No.12614666 [Reply] [Last 50] [Original]

Why is modern science more and more censorship and faith based IE Climatechange, IQ etc etc

My geography professor for example said in one breath that the Sahara was a green savanna a few thousand years back because the higher temperatures allowed for the hydrosphere to reach more inland due to the air being able to transport more water vapor if its hotter
and in the next sentence he said that also the sahara was expanding because of climatechange and that it was never hotter before
when pointing out his obvious contradiction he just said "trust the experts"

this feels more like theology than STEM how the fuck did this happen
>inb4 spengler predicted this
yes, but WHY and HOW
>inb4 just trust the experts
>>>https://www.reddit.com/

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>> No.12620383
Quoted By: >>12620418

>>12620380
boring

>> No.12620418

>>12620383
Ok im not gonna dig you out a big source or anything but plants dont really react to temperature at all other than them having an "ideal temperature" and the futher they stray from that the less good they grow

Also think of CO2 as food, there cannot be an increase in biomass without more food so even if higher temp somehow means more ideal conditions for every plant Sampled it still wouldnt do anything if temp stagnates

So temp might as well have stagnated during all the time but you cant know even if it didnt there wasnt more food for them to make use of the marginally better conditions

t. Aced Abitur biology LK where we had this 2 semesters

>> No.12620420

>>12620418
>still wouldnt do anything if temp stagnates
If food stagnates
Sry

>> No.12620457

>>12620418
>Ok im not gonna dig you out a big source or anything but plants dont really react to temperature at all other than them having an "ideal temperature" and the futher they stray from that the less good they grow
exactly, so if it's too hot or too cold you'll see it clearly in growth patterns. If you see actual changes in climate it's very obvious especially when you compare tree at different latitudes, unfavorable areas where temperatures are normally far too cold for optimal growth will grow far more than normal, areas that are usually close to optimal might be too hot, and show reduced growth.
>even if higher temp somehow means more ideal conditions for every plant
No one is making this claim.

>So temp might as well have stagnated during all the time but you cant know even if it didnt there wasnt more food for them to make use of the marginally better conditions
Again this relies on the assumption that every tree everywhere has optimal growing conditions, something that is basically never the case.

>> No.12620487

>>12620418
If only we had a method of veryfing this without tree rings
Oh wait, sediment cores, ice cores and other marine proxies show the same thing.
Even if tree rings didn't work as proxies, all others show the hockey stick



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12614632 No.12614632 [Reply] [Original]
Quoted By: >>12614641 >>12614901

Whats the width of the smallest possible drop of water? Does it retain the same properties as any larger drop of water?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_(liquid)

>> No.12614641
Quoted By: >>12614943

>>12614632
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_(unit)
Depends on which definition of drop you use.

>> No.12614901

>>12614632
1 molecule of HO in free fall constitutes a drop

>> No.12614943
Quoted By: >>12615094

>>12614641
>Depends on which definition of drop you use.
I couldn't find a clear definition to suite my intuitive question.

What i mean is what keeps the properties of a drop of water in 10 cm diamater, which keeps the same in a drop in a drop of 1 cm in diameter, and continuing in 0.1 cm in diameter, and so on.

The question spawns from seeing water drops in the glass walls of my shower curtain, and i continiously can see smaller and smaller drops. The closer I look, the smaller drops I see, but they still seem to act similarlt yet still be smaller. So what is the cutoff? And where? And why?

>> No.12615094

>>12614943
>What i mean is what keeps the properties of a drop of water in 10 cm diamater, which keeps the same in a drop in a drop of 1 cm in diameter, and continuing in 0.1 cm in diameter, and so on.
Surface tension of water
> So what is the cutoff? And where? And why?
You have to give a very precise definition of what you mean by drop. Without that, my imprecise answer will be enough atoms of water such that flow like behavior due to surface tension is observed.



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12614602 No.12614602 [Reply] [Original]
Quoted By: >>12616569 >>12616581

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9PlApCWov4

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>> No.12616569
Quoted By: >>12617339

>>12614602
OH MY GOD

OH MY GOD OP THANK YOU

I've been trying to remember this guy since he was posted on somethingawful pre 2010. I was wondering (hoping) if he was still kicking!

All I remembered is he changed his name to N-WORD and had tons of videos of him going around town interviewing people, mostly with the purpose saying the n word as many times as possible (given it's his legal name)

He also had a video of an argument between him and some female who know him well. She kept trying to get him to admit this whole shtick was a result of PTSD lol

I'm now going to try to find the video in which he approaches some cholos on a stoop at night and almost gets the shit kicked out of him, thanks OP

>> No.12616572

leave him alone. how is someone's mental break funny to you?

>> No.12616574

would you like it if everyone laughed at you while you were in psychosis? have some sympathy/empathy and stop promoting this.

>> No.12616581

>>12614602
>nigger moles

>> No.12617339

>>12616569
>All I remembered is he changed his name to N-WORD
He changed his name to Neighbor? Wtf? That's offensive



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12614535 No.12614535 [Reply] [Original]
Quoted By: >>12614565

Is polyethylene or rubber estrogenic? The molecules look pretty simple and unlike estrogen.Is rubber safer than plastic?

>> No.12614565
Quoted By: >>12614579

>>12614535
Many artificial polymers are built of monomers which act as xenoestrogens. If your production process is less than perfect (e.g. Chinese in origin) then you have a good chance of leaving monomers behind which will leech out.

>> No.12614579
Quoted By: >>12614674

>>12614565
What if you just ingest pure rubber or polyetyhlene? It has C2 double bonds which have higher bond energy, but so does unsaturated fat. Does it effect anything?

>> No.12614674
Quoted By: >>12614680

>>12614579
idk do it and tell us how it goes

scientists have experimented on themselves since forever anon

>> No.12614680
Quoted By: >>12614700

>>12614674
I would do ot if I had the quipment to test my hormone levels, I tried looking for studies but itwas all on BPA none on rubber

>> No.12614700

>>12614680
Just go to SA and drink latex like it's maple syrup


prety pls



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12614502 No.12614502 [Reply] [Original]
Quoted By: >>12615236

>in pure math/physics class
>that one kid that tries to impress the professor by bringing up advanced grad level material he doesn't understand that he read on wikipedia or saw in a popsci vid
>always does horribly in the class, either fails or gets a C

Happened many times now. On the first day of E&M one guy brought up gauge symmetry and would always ask questions about grad level physics. He failed the class. Happened in algebra too with someone bringing up category theory and universal constructions when we were covering the group isomorphism theorems.

Don't be that guy.

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>> No.12615236

>>12614502
>>Don't be that guy.
That guy is always a CS major doubling/minoring to make himself look more impressive.

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Quoted By: >>12615280 >>12615689

>>12615201
His name is Albert Einstein.

>> No.12615280

>>12615267
wtf I love Jews now

>> No.12615689

>>12615267
He is not jewish and is blonde.

>> No.12615885

>>12615127
>I just see arrows and abstract nonsense.
Yep, that's category theory.



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12614486 No.12614486 [Reply] [Original]
Quoted By: >>12615536 >>12615947

I just found out the 21st century started on January 1st, 2001 and I'm absolutely seething. Can someone please explain why those retards didn't start with year 0? 1 BC followed by 1 AD makes no sense at all.

Counting is mathematics mr janny

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>> No.12615118
Quoted By: >>12615179

>>12615089
0 doesn't exist to be the start of the natural numbers, it exists to be the midpoint of the integers. You can't have the additive inverse of 1 be -2.

>> No.12615179

>>12615118
0 is an integer. The decimal system is defined to have 10 digits: 0 through 9

>> No.12615180

>>12615089
>Suppose that you have to run a 100m race on a 100m track. The track is divided by 11 lines, evenly spaced by a distance of 10 meters, into 10 10-meter sections.
>For whatever reason enables this question, you are required to label the 10 sections of the track in numerical order. Do you label them as sections 1 through 10 or sections 0 through 9?
Hint: the entirety of civilization numbers would number them 1-10 you retard

>> No.12615536

>>12614486
Ask Matlab I dunno.

>> No.12615947

>>12614486
>I just found out the 21st century started on January 1st, 2001
YES, we were all aware of this before January 1st, 2000.
WE didn't care and really wanted to party like it was 1999.



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12614281 No.12614281 [Reply] [Original]
Quoted By: >>12618605 >>12618614

Would education be better if there were more projects instead of exams?

Rather than asking students to memorize information for the possibility of it being on a test, we instead form the education system around giving students nontrivial tasks and projects to complete.

For example, instead of giving students a bunch of formulae for geometric areas, you give them a bunch of geometric shapes with their areas and ask them to find a relationship.

Or instead of giving a bunch of surface-level historical information, students go in-depth into some historical event or person and present a project on the causes and effects, how the past shaped their actions and how those actions shaped their present and how the consequences shaped the future.

Science would be more experimental, rather than formulaic. Students would re-derive basic principles, only they would actually know personally how the formulas work, instead of "trust the science".

Literature would be more discussion based, not memorization based. More book reports instead of summary quizzes.

Schooling would be more active, interactive, effective, and would actually instill learning instead of mindless fact grinding.

Thoughts? Why is this not being done?

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>> No.12618242

That would be even more boring as a student.

>> No.12618253

Ideally you would be teaching students practical skills, like a trade, instead of random history and math.

>> No.12618605 [DELETED]

>>12614281
I think education should be bottom up, instead top down as it is. A top down approach treat as the most basic what was observed, found or noticed, what experiments were made, etc. and what was derived from it as a high level stuff. A top down approach, that goes the other way and treats the high levelabstractions as the most basic allows you to seem very smart very fact, but the knowledge is vacuous, as it's missing its foundations. It becomes nigh useless when you need to approach novel problems, and it has no way to notice and fix past errors, and it gives no way to approach what seems to contradict what you were taught other than to rejecf it outright.

>> No.12618614

>>12614281
I think education should be bottom up, instead top down as it is. A bottom up approach treats as the most basic what was observed, found or noticed, what experiments were made, etc. and what was derived from it as a high level stuff. A top down approach, that goes the other way and treats the high levelabstractions as the most basic allows you to seem very smart very fact, but the knowledge is vacuous, as it's missing its foundations. It becomes nigh useless when you need to approach novel problems, and it has no way to notice and fix past errors, and it gives no way to approach what seems to contradict what you were taught other than to reject it outright as mistaken or false.

>> No.12618652

>>12614648
boobies



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12614253 No.12614253 [Reply] [Original]

How can people who have hard time concentrating and have racing thoughts still have very high mental skills? You would think their thought process is completely fucked up but if they can have it then it would be logical that other people can achieve it as well. It would make sense in a way that since they don't have high temper they will try to figure out the easiest way out of things which is part of intelligence but there have to be something else that makes the difference which I think an average person would be able to do as well.

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>> No.12614454
Quoted By: >>12614546 >>12614559

>>12614290
>because iq just a meme
It's not though, it might not be the last word but it's obviously important.

>> No.12614546
Quoted By: >>12614557

>>12614454
yes but IQ tests are a series of problems that each take a few seconds to solve, having ADHD doesn't mean you can't concentrate for a few seconds. and ADHD isn't Autism.

>> No.12614557

>>12614546
The idea is that your general history of learning and understanding is going to be messed up. High IQ people with ADHD are rare for a reason yet still exist.

>> No.12614559
Quoted By: >>12614564

>>12614454
>It's not though, it might not be the last word but it's obviously important.
sad piss brain statlet

>> No.12614564

>>12614559
Too intelligent to refute me and shut me up, makes sense!



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12614201 No.12614201 [Reply] [Original]

>Algebra I filters 81% of americans
>Calculus I filters 95%

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>> No.12614676

>>12614227
>Wildbergerposting filters 100% of would-be analysis geniuses

>> No.12614848
Quoted By: >>12615621

>>12614644
watch out cal 3 is way tougher than cal 2 imo

>> No.12615621
Quoted By: >>12615691

>>12614848
nah it's way easier tf
calc 2 actually has new stuff, 3 is just the other 2 but multivariate. as long as you're solid on 1 and 2 and don't have an overly hard time with vectors it should be a breeze.

>> No.12615691
Quoted By: >>12616891

>>12615621
im stoked for it

>> No.12616891

>>12615691
it's unironically really fun. i think some people get a bit burned out after calc 2 because it's mostly just the same repetitive integral methods but calc 3 is imo more rewarding/diverse and relatively much easier to grasp. it doesn't honestly require you to learn anything new beyond having an okay understanding of derivatives and integrals as well as 3d space/vectors conceptually. the beginning is a bit of a shift as far as 2d->multivariable goes and that can be temporarily disorienting but once you get into it, it's way easier than 1&2.



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12614193 No.12614193 [Reply] [Original]

To me, it goes beyond science and basically becomes philosophy since it cant be actually tested. I generally just find it rather lazy too. Everything just boils down to evolution if people wonder why humans act or think a certain way. Instead of saying "I dont know", they say its all due to evolution and act like they solved the question without a doubt.

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>> No.12618899
Quoted By: >>12619203

>>12615465
>>12615512
can you explain eating and drink water as an unintentional, non normative and not teleological?

>> No.12618963

>>12616969
>observe phenomenon
>create hypothesis
>set up experiment
>make conclusion
sounds more scientific than most of psychology, sociology, history and economics

>> No.12619203
Quoted By: >>12620182

>>12618899
Eating and drinking are intentional processes, but I wouldn't describe them the intention behind them as "to survive" so much as to remove the discomfort that emerges from being thirsty or hungry - just as a person might choose to abstain from food and drink for a variety of reasons, but none relating to their survivability (the decision might relate to their health for example, and improved health obviously increases survivability, but I consider the human desire to be healthy as one based in a desire to avoid pain and "to feel as good as possible, for as long as possible" rather than factoring in the act of surviving itself. A lot of people eat primarily for the taste of the food rather than the nutritional value, the gustatory qualities of the meal being more important than the subsequent impact on their health or longevity.

I could similarly use the example of sexual activity, since it too is an intentional process, but the intention is not that of reproduction except in a relatively small percentage of cases, and is most often pursued for the bare pleasure of the act, to be intimate with another party, or to relieve an immanent sense of arousal.

As for whether eating represents a normative behavior, I myself might consider it to represent one, but I don't think the scientific method has the ability to claim so. Science involves understanding the workings of empirical phenomena, the way things "are" or "have been", rather than how they "should" be. The latter question is one that philosophers have provided various contending answers for (assuming it even has an answer), but I do not think the domain of science extends there. Science can tell us what foods produce what kind of effect on our body, such as those which serve to congest the circulatory system and those which do not, but taking it further and advising people to reduce their ingestion of the former food group is technically outside of scientific bounds in the stricter sense of the term.

>> No.12620182
Quoted By: >>12620553

>>12619203
>Eating and drinking are intentional processes,
I don't really believe in intentionality itself, it's such a human meme concept. On par with the uncaused cause meme.
>as to remove the discomfort that emerges from being thirsty or hungry
Yes what matter is why there is this sensation of discomfort, or why you even have the ability to perceive it, or to perceive anything at all in the first place.
>A lot of people eat primarily for the taste of the food rather than the nutritional value
>but the intention is not that of reproduction
Are you trying to deny the ultimate cause by mentioning that it's current application is imperfect?
Animal have brains and react to sensory stimulation which leads to a huge cluster fuck unlke more simple organisms like plants and bacteria. To the point where stimulation can interfere with the functionality of the organism.
Nonetheless it would be difficult to deny that why the functions exist in the first place.

>> No.12620553

>>12620182
>intentionality
I'm not sure what you mean regarding intentionality, are you suggesting that no such article exists? I do not deny that the presence of the hunger or libidinal drives exist as a result of physiological processes and regardless of human intentionality, but I think that regardless of whether these processes are present or not it is the individual human that then directs their intentionality to determine whether or not to satisfy those drives, and the manner by which they do so (or do not do so).

>Are you trying to deny the ultimate cause...
I'm not sure that using the term "ultimate cause" is an accurate term to use, since this once again creates a "should" from an "is". It's fine to state the manner by which the digestive or reproductive systems operate and functions they can perform, but if we are to speak of the human creature as a whole then I do not consider it accurate to attempt to tie every aspect of human existence back to these two departments.

>difficult to deny why the functions exist in the first place
They exist, and perform certain roles for a given organism, but to state that they exist "for" a purpose is to enter the realm of teleology and to exit the domain of empiricism. Science can speak of past causes, or of future effects which will result from a particular causal series, but cannot say that a given natural entity has an underlying endgoal, purpose or destination which exists independent of the said causal series. Science can speak of the previous history of these systems based on evidence from past human remains, or of the potential future changes they could incur, since these exist in terms of contingent functionality rather than a necessary endgoal.



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