/tg/ - Traditional Games

>>77025159
You're not alone in that sentiment. If I played DG I'd probably have to do a lot of work with filing and greenstuff to get rid of all the excessive bloat (in multiple senses). The Lord of Virulence's gut, for example, doesn't really feel like it adds much to the model.

>>77025185
I will use them as Breachers with arc rifles, my gaming group has no problems with the different guns since they are all the same gaming wise. The next three will be done later today and then I can start painting some Castellax (count as Kastellan)

>>77025358
Email as far as I am aware
Haven't used him in a long while either, I got tired of his brittle as fuck material that reeked like gasoline

>>77025219
>should have died in 2011
We all should have died in 2011.

>>77024985
>>77025356
Explain the meme to me.

>>77022511
It seems like a complete pile of trash, but i do know that in rifts you can pick some kind of robot class and get a car body and play nightrider, which is a point in its favour.

>>77022578
ok boomer

GURPS, especially Transhuman Space, where you can play pretty much any combination of AI or human mind in any combination of biological, cyborg, or robot body (or bodies).

>>77022511
FFG Star Wars (play a Droid)
Eclipse Phase (A.I. with or without a body)
"Engine Sky" supplement for Golden Sky Stories (comfy robots)
Exalted 2e (playing as Alchemical Exalts)
Alien RPG (play as an Android)

>>77022578
Correct

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I had like 25 grots to act as canon fodder.

>>77022482
yes

>>77022989
Thinking of starting a grot based army, with da red gobbo in command, tides of grots and killa kans as support. Not sure if it is worth it though

>>77023005
Sorry mah Grot, my Commander is a Boss in Mega armor & Power klaw. And my grots are there to protect da Boss.

>>77022482
can't believe there's a world where we have plastic deffkoptas

>>77022429
You handwave 99% of it after the first day and only worry about important events because traveling for months is actually really really boring.

>>77022429
Caravans are always boring, unles your group is really into slice-of-life character development roleplay. And even then, that sort of roleplay is better done via text, in between sessions.

I wish I had a group that did that. I really miss good chatroom RP

>>77022429
Shame 5E doesn't have wilderness hexcrawl rules.
Play OSR instead.

>>77022429
People seem to be taking this question as "How does a GM make travel interesting to Players?" rather than "How do characters on a caravan or other long journey amuse themselves?".

To answer the latter question, they will often suffer boredom during long and arduous journeys. When possible, they will rely on music and storytelling (more "bards" than "dancers," and frequently just amateurs), or conversation among travelers (think Canterbury Tales). Simple games may be possible, such as "I Spy" or "20 Questions" or posing riddles to one another. But eventually, as OP mentions, you will run out of stuff to do. Or there will be times when attention is needed to navigate tricky bits of terrain, or staying relatively quiet to listen for threats.

Ships are better and worse in this regard. Everyone is more concentrated within hearing range, so you can have one person providing a modicum of entertainment for the whole group. Books and boardgames and other amusements can be easily shared around. But there is little to see for long stretches of time, and you can't just hop off the boat to stretch your legs unless you've made landing.

1: Hire a trail slut.
2: Fuck her/him during dull moments.
3: Final payment for services rendered when party arrives at destination.

>>77022405
Damn.

>>77022405
If any of that scholarship was worth anything, it would have benefitted the barbarians by now. Techne > Episteme . Get at me!

>>77022236
Ask and ye shall receive

>>77022492
Seconding "Dogs in the Vineyard" cause it's very much both in mechanics and setting designed to get players to think about things in a way they're not used to.

The setting has been described to me accurately as "Players are empowered by the Church of Latter Day Saints to go from settlement to settlement solving problems with a bible and a gun that shouldn't be solved with either."

The game is all about investigation, interaction and escalation. Most of the time, it's up to players whether or not things go from bad to worse, and if people die. You get into an argument with a man and he's not convinced, so you don't take no for an answer and turn it into a fistfight, but he's bigger and then he pulls a knife so, you reach for your gun...

It in a very real sense tries to make you feel out and understand the people and the problems you're dealing with, because if you turn every problem into a gunfight, you're going to leave a pile of bodies if you don't get shot in the head.

Also I think Satan and demons are maybe real in the back there somewhere, but really they're the least of the people's worries if there are more people like you running around.

>>77022236
GURPS used as a therapy tool in some Special Ed classes might qualify; otherwise you're barking at the wrong tree because "literary fiction" is often the end result of English professors mad at their wives writing, or people exploiting the zeitgeist to write a book where they barely fictionalize what they did.

"literary fiction" literally just means books that are actually good. if an excellent writer writes something, no matter the genre, it'll probably eventually be considered 'literary' (see tolkien).

>>77022236
The distinction between genre and literary fiction comes down to marketing. There is awfully written literary fiction that are completely outshone by masterpieces of genre fiction, or works that are praised as literary fiction despite having "generic" elements, i.e. Borges.
Marketing in RPGs is divided not only by genre, but primarily by whether it's a product with worldwide distribution, i.e. Wizards of the Coast, Chaosium, GW, or a more "indie" product, usually available only digitally via sites like DriveThru. Even then most people who are into the hobby play both. Quality, not "brand image" is what matters.
So if there really is a divide it's hardcover vs pdf.

All in all shit bait and stop avatarfagging.

Previous thread

>>76979663

I want to make a fox totem lunar in 3e but I can't think of any good mutations for my hybrid form. What should I take?

>>77023907
Multiple tails

>>77023907
Obvious are Claws, Unusual Hide (Fur), Tail, Inhuman Visage, Enchanced Sense (Sight) and Enhanced Sense (Hearing). There's evidence to suggest that foxes uses magnetic fields to hunt, so you might be able to justify a refluff'd vibration sense or something.

>>77025054
>If someone can't make an interesting non-human character means he can't make an interesting human character.
Not true

>>77022156
If I wanted to go outside my comfort zone, I would go talk to girls!

>>77022156
>what do you think are some character concepts that everyone should have tried out at least once?
I can't say much on this, OP, I've only recently started playing and currently have no finished games because both are on hiatus at the moment.

>>77025054
>>77025140
I don't really get what the big deal is over non-human PCs, maybe it's because I haven't played enough but it feels like you'd just need to read up on the race to figure out how they act and behave to role-play as them.

>>77025140
How come? What's the big secret to making interesting characters that makes it so much easier to make an interesting human character? The fact that we're humans in real life?

>>77025375
literally yes, just as its easier for a male writer to get into the mind of a male character then a female, and vice versa

I kinda like it, it's original without being overly subvertive (just a nice simple twist) and you can fill whatever you want between the beginning and the end goal.
7.5/10

>Unflattering rumors of a wealthy desert city's unseen god-king never having actually existed has begun to rouse the local population, particularly the faithful, into uprising
>The government is looking for someone to handle the more dangerous groups around the city before the unrest culminates into civil war with certain factions leading the charge against the palace, either by their destruction or neutering their will to fight
>This includes the fanatical religious leader stirring his congregation into a frenzy of religious fervor and demanding to enter the palace and see the godking in the flesh
>The anarcho-nihilist not!satanist mining guild member and his peers seeking to destroy the government and kill the godking for the sake of destroying shit, because they've been convinced there is no way to ever actually make anything better for lower class people and it's god's fault so fuck him
>The underground beggar king and his army of hobos seeking to strike it rich by asserting control over various of the city's guilds and companies during times of peak unrest
>The old residents of the land the godking conquered who may attempt to reclaim their land
>A certain merchant who is being perhaps a little too friendly with the mercenary company outside the walls
>Of course, the players can just say "lol fuck you" and join the resistance and perhaps even embolden some factions to ensure they come out on top in the carnage
>Or even stick their own dick in the ring
>Climax is a Battle of Hoover Dam style multi-team fuckfest the players have to make sense of and desperately hold together whatever faction they're supporting until someone is left standing

>>77022124
OP here I'm well aware of Warhammer mortals becoming gods like Randall conning a goddess into making him a god, but I'm still searching for other concepts of mortals ascending to godhood.

>>77022194

This is actually a good answer. Perhaps maybe some magic user has gotten so powerful that those around said magic user believe him to be a god, and I guess over time the magic user begins to actually believe he is a god.

>>77022235
Thats basically cannon in ADnD. Space wizards work on god levels.

>>77022124
Check out Mystara, the BECMI D&D setting. It has Immortals who ascend from mortal heroes to divinity instead of Gods, and is a good starting point for having a setting where the gods were once mortal.

>>77022124
Once you get enough people worshipping you, and you're high-level enough, you ascend if you have the potential.
Before you say 'this seems easy' it's actually really fucking hard. Imagine getting, I dunno, a million people to worship YOU in the span of one lifetime. That's going to take a lot of effort, and you'd need to be really convincing or a really good warlord.

How tolerant is Jumper of peaceful protests?

>>77025308
Fuck off with your thinly veiled /pol/shit.

>>77025308
Depends on if they're peaceful or "peaceful".

>>77025378
You got baited.

>>77025308
>of peaceful protests?
Tolerant, just use mind control to make them protest peacefully

It isn't exactly rules-lite, but Call of Cthulhu is at least rules-medium and gritty.

>>77022150
How hard would it be to rip out the occult/cthulhu parts? Does it have any mechanics that support reputation of the player group with different conflicting factions?

>>77022234
>How hard would it be to rip out the occult/cthulhu parts?
Very easy. It is based on the generic BRP system, which is fairly modular (I often call if 'decimal GURPS') so you can add and remove stuff as needed.
>Does it have any mechanics that support reputation of the player group with different conflicting factions?
I believe that the Delta Green version does, but that kind of thing is almost system-independent. Find or make a reputation tracking system and you should be able to use it with whatever game you like.

afaik the biggest anglo contribution to theory is michael adams reviving the marshal in the ruy
that's pretty nice

>>77025322
Make a chesstempo account and try to do x minutes of puzzles daily

Make sure you learn the basic tactics first (fork, skewer etc) but then puzzle daily because it really helps you spot these things inside real games

>>77025383
There's French and reti stuff done by bongs but I didn't stick with those openings so I dunno how key their work is

>>77025384
Nice, are they like problems with pieces arranged in some way and you try to get out of check or mate the other player in X movements, etc?

>>77025084
Extremely retarded

>>77022212
unironicaly this, the fuck is story shitting? /tg/s latest buzzword?

>>77023346
it's one anon with too much free time trying to force a vaguely-defined antirailroading meme.

>>77023758
Back in the days railroading meant something.
Either railroading is everything or storyshitting exists.

>>77022037
No one is upset about the idea of being more specific when talking about different kinds of railroading. The problem is that you decided it should be called "storyshitting," which sounds like a term some kid with Down's would come up with. Call it something less fucking retarded and I bet people would start agreeing with you.

>The RPG boss of internet shitlords
You're better off posing in front of a greenscreen and wearing shitty costumes in shitty skits

>>77024723
I'd gathered. If I where to actually make a dice box/case/vault with said filth etched onto it, how much would you be willing to pay? Theoretically of course... I'm not including the Christmas pudding though. That shit`s barbaric!

>>77024820
Give me a ballpark for a normie box that you are asking for to base this on

>>77024847
Depends on the size of the box fittings and finish used. Generally a basic 3 compartment box with good latches is listed at around £35. Of course, that's for the designs we are intending to batch produce. This would be a commission and would need designing from scratch. Alternatively I could just use whatever images you prefer as you are the boss.I'm mostly interested in what people would be wiling to pay for such things myself to be honest. That was such a specialist request that I was intrigued.

How about this? That will be £100 please.

>>77021932
Like the Necronomicon idea.

>>77025223
You`re as dumb as they come, eh?

>>77025306
Still no models? A shame

>>77025272
You will never be an infinity model, bro. And you wont be missed.

>>77024906
>Super Jump and Climbing Plus

So question about this. It shows in the rulebook when measuring your parabola, that you measure from the middle of the bottom of your base.

So then you place a base where you want to land and measure to the middle/bottom of that base too...bend the tape measure as tight as you want to get over objects..and that jump is valid?

For Climbing Plus, am I right in saying since you must place your base flat on the vertical surface...unless the enemy trooper is standing on the roof to where you can actually break LOF as you scale the side of the wall...you can't peek over the edge and shoot? IE, the enemy is prone and facing the other way...there is no way to climb the wall, peek over and shoot them since your base is actually on the wall (Flat) and you're looking straight up in the air?

Thanks.

>>77025336
What does that even mean lmao

>>77021377
In D&D 4th edition, your choice of arcane implement that you focused on was basically your subclass.

Staffs were natural defensive focuses, permanently giving you +1 AC and letting you potentially nullify an attack once per encounter.

Wands were natural accuracy boosters.

Orbs could either be used to augment the potency of a spell, or serve as a focus for illusion powers, letting you get a free secondary attack with one if you missed the first target.

Tomes could either be used to grant a bonus spell per encounter or serve as a focus for conjuration/summoning spells, boosting the power of summoned creatures.

>>77021377
The amount of magical power that can be channeled through them.

Wands are easily concealable but only channel the weakest spells.
Similarly with Athames, but Athames are used for religious rites rather than practical ones.

Staves are large and can create more powerful spells.

Spellbooks have tremendous surface area and can channel the most powerful spells, but you have to have sufficiently hefty tomes or else each page is individually too weak to hold the energy.

Truly legendary spells require you to turn large acreage into spells through magic circles.

>>77023592
>orbs
Crystal balls that have no combat applications outside of the spells they help their users cast. They are less of a focus and more of a catalyst, because often times another casting focus will need to be held in the other hand, if the caster can't form energy without a focus.
Orbs are best used for targeting spells at an excessively long range, and the caster will need to pump more energy and concentration into their spell so it won't just dissipate mid-range.
Casters who use orbs competently are respected for values of wisdom, and endurance of both concentration and magical capacity; unless they're using a wand in their other hand, of course.

smug boi

>>77021377
In a certain special video game, staffs recharge, wands don't, spellbooks let you select spells and equipment, and the athame was removed because the pope of sin was overpowered.

>>77021781
just wait until the inevitable retrain alright?

>>77021291
I play KURIBOH in DEFENSE MODE and end my turn.

>>77021781
I remember Obelisk being quite good when the legal version first released. Was used in frogs with hardened armed dragon or some shit

>>77021291
Now im imagining them being statted out as artifacts

>>77021848
Ahhh Exodia.
It's not possible,
Noone's ever been able to call him!

>>77022375
>>77021344
>>77021293
how do you do fellow 4channel users?

>>77022038
>didnt prepare a normal phylactery
I'll just bind my soul to my car keys or my wristwatch or my underpants or whatever

>>77021270
>using an abstract concept like true/final death to be your Phylactery
Not everyone is a god and/or has a retarded GM

>>77024815
I demand a Seduction roll!

>>77025022
No.

>>77022001
T. Retard

>>77021404
This anon is completely spot-on

>>77021200
Ask them what they do for fun, and then tell them that their hobby is just as pointless.

>>77024970
except if it's figging

>>77021200

Tell them everything pointless, all the from war, debate, entertainment, politic, wealth and more.

Because everything is pointless, that is why you should focus on doing something that are meaningful just for YOU and not for others.

So I will keep on rolling dice and playing children card games.

>>77025327
>Settra a literal who
Nagash's Nemesis is a literal who? This is what Warhammer has become, huh?

>>77025244
That's not really three heroes then. Pretty much every warband has been 1 hero or unit champion + 2-6 battle line type troops.

>>77025283
>>77025347
>>77025278
It's a minion for the vampires warband.

>>77025263
It is quite literally cheating. If you want your model to be on a big diorama base then put it in a glass case and keep it there, cheater

>>77025370
Nagash's nemesis is Sigmar, anon.

>>77020885
>Never have the party travel with a caravan. Its always boring.

>>77022870
Never split the party either

>>77020885
>If a player is acting 'lolrandumb', increase the challenge rating of the monsters faced by 5.

>>77020885
Subtle signs. Like, everytime that there's something in the room the players should inspect or something you cough or something. Don't tell the players, let them figure it out.

>>77024469
Sounds a bit too much like spoonfeeding to me. Maybe if something is important to progressing the plot, don't risk your players having no way of accessing it

>>77023041
I mean, are you expecting to get into a chill, vibrant, friendly and living community? Then yes.

If you want to get a bunch of pretty good quality models that you can horde and maybe convince a friend to play a game once or twice against you, then sure, that's fine. But the game is really made to be a list-building and piloting game.

>>77023041
nah, not necessarily. but it's definitely /awg/ now. meaning you need to either be willing to go looking for a group, or to build one yourself. that doesn't phase the gang around here much, because we have to do that with everything we play.

The game itself is still very good ruleset, and there's a ton of models / factions to please all types, so it's definitely possible to have a good experience with it. Most of what crashed the plane in to the mountain had to do with competitive scene / tournament packet (particularly the "theme lists") and with massive corporate mismanagement. Both of which are problems a casual group can neatly sidestep.

Question as someone new to the hobby: What companies or systems are generally the best to go to for starting a collection? I don't have anything outside of one decade old 40k starter set so I'm a totally fresh slate and I'm hoping to find cheap stuff so I can try different games and, perhaps more importantly, work on my poor painting skills without worrying about a bunch of expensive models being doomed to look like shit.

I'm more interested in games using figures around that 28mm range either in fantasy or sci-fi, whatever would get me the most bang for my buck in terms of being broadly compatible with other systems, but I'm totally open to other options if anyone has good alternatives for beginners.

>>77021650
>>77021732
As someone totally new to wargaming I kind of bounced off of more complicated rulesets I tried to look at, but the One Page Rules were really easy to parse and actually get to playing with. It seems that it really keeps things to the basics of what make these games what they are so looking at other games is less intimidating so I'd probably use it as a starting point to try and convert other people.

>>77024835
There are plenty of mini-agnostic games for both sci fi and fantasy so I'd focus on finding cool minis that you like and start there.

>>77024835
for fantasy, the plastic kits northstar makes for frostgrave work really well for this purpose. for a reasonable price you get enough figures to play most minis-agnostic skirmish games, and they come with a lot of optional accessories and weapons.

>>77020097
Solid. As long as they are mere irritants, it can fit well into a lighter-hearted campaign or one with goodly, gentle-hearted characters.

If the characters are unflinching killers due to questionable morals or a grimmer tone, might as well make those cute monsters deadly as well; they're getting massacred either way.

>>77020117
Nah, keep em cute and fairly weak. Force it to he a brutal massacre sky ylur PCs feel bad. They wont, but possibly a mabey a little bit feel bad?
>>77020097
Ive used children to rob the PCs. Got bumped and Didnt notice it till he had to pay the bar tab. Saw the child the next day, laying dirty and sad on the hard alley road. I was actually surprised he didnt murder the child. Jokes on him, child makes itself look sad, dirty and hungry for pity power. Kid is also fairly wealthy as a member of a beggar gang.

>>77020097
Ive robbed PC at night with bandits. Waking them up to a pack of cute as Fuck animels might be a solid distraction.

>>77020097
>setting has cute monsters
>they do annoying shit, like stealing your items
then add players
>setting now has dachau 2